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    Default Addiction & the Spiritual Crisis

    > Here are some thoughts about addiction as a spiritual crisis...

    > Dr. Carl Jung pointed out that it was no accident that Alcohol is also called "Spirits" & that the Alcoholic's thirst
    for booze is equivalent to the soul's thirst for a "Spiritual Awakening."

    > "Alcohol in Latin is Spiritus & you use the same word for the Highest Religious Experience as well as for a most
    depraving poison." The helpful formula therefore is; "Spiritus Contra Spiritus." It's an Alchemical formula.
    It means, in the words of a letter Jung sent to the founder of AA, Bill Wilson, that it takes spirit to counter spirit -
    fight fire with fire, in other words.

    > Jungian analyst Marion Woodman elaborated years later; "Looking at alcoholism & addiction as a longing for spirit
    might mean that something very different is going on in our society than first appears. One might say that we don't
    have a crisis with alcohol & drugs as much as we have a Spiritual Crisis."

    > Freud insisted that our civilization at large is a repressive one. There is a conflict between the demands of
    conformity & the demands of our instinctive energies & we seek to slack our natural thirst in any way possible.

    > R.D. Laing wrote in his book - the Divided Self that; "our civilization represses not only the instincts, not only sexuality,
    but any form of transcendence. Among one-dimensional people, it is not surprising that someone with an insistent experience of
    other dimensions, that one can-not entirely deny of forget, will run the risk of either being destroyed by the others, or of
    betraying what one knows & needs, or, destroying oneself."

    > We seem to displace our longing for some kind of spiritual awakening with other things, we seek satisfaction, achieve it,
    but sooner or later, we are disappointed. If this is true, it certainly shows why a spiritual awakening appears to be
    almost the only thing that can make an addict well.

    > In the 1930's Dr. Carl Jung commented about the rise in alcoholism among his patients; "About a third of my cases
    are suffering from no clinically definable neurosis but from the senselessness & emptiness of their lives."

    > the emptiness that Jung refers to hasn't diminished. If anything in today's society, it's increased!
    So much so that a prominent New York psychiatrist, wrote in 1999; "It may seem surprising when I say on
    the basis of my own clinical experience that the chief problem at the dawn of the 21st. century is emptiness...
    while one might laugh, boredom extends to a state of futility & eventually despair which at best, only holds out
    as an attraction the promise of dangers."

    > the Author of Drugs, Addiction & Initiation writes; "The archetypal need to transcend one's present state at any cost,
    even when it entails the use of physically harmful substance's is especially strong in those who find themselves in a
    state of meaninglessness, lacking both a sense of identity & a precise role in society."

    > Drug use, seen in this context, is not so much an escape from society as a desperate attempt to fit in anyway one can,
    as well as a "naive & unconscious attempt at assuming identity & role negatively defined by current values."
    ( ie. being an outsider is better than being nothing at all. )

    > The author concludes that young people of today are desperately in need of a chance to "participate fully in a total confrontation, like that between death & living, something once provided by rites & rituals" & now provided by the world of drugs!

    >> We run from one event to another, from one object to another & again on to another, because the meaning of each quickly vanishes... everything is tried & nothing satisfies. Anxiously one turns away from all concrete solutions & starts looking for an ultimate solution, or at best some meaning, only to discover that there is a pervading sense of meaninglessness & despair. Everything around us promises relief - but Nothing Works!!!

    > > > From the time we can speak, we are bombarded with the message that we alone are not enough... Take This: Buy This;
    Have This: feel better, stronger, safer, sexier, more desirable, more secure, more powerful & none of it Works because
    it's never enough & it's not enough because we're looking in the wrong place! The primary Religion of America
    is Consummerisum; Capitalism is not a system, it is a way of life. We have been given a giant buildup, the greatest sales
    campaign of all time, with one relentless message... Buy, Consume!!! The merchandise we're sold is faulty because of
    it's built-in obsolescence... It doesn't work because the values are inverted. We are led to expect gratification
    & it never happens. We are dying of thirst & the buckets all have holes! When the goods fail to satisfy us fully & we know it,
    it's then that we turn to drugs. Many of us discover that they Work. We pay for something & viola' - Like Magick...
    it changes how we feel, under our skin where it matters, where we live. It Works! The goal is achieved...
    we feel better about ourselves - different, special, stronger, just like we've been told we should, but that
    nothing else ever accomplished. Drugs seen i this context, are only the most available ( & temporarily effective )
    solutions to a rampant Spiritual malnourishment.

    > Indulgence in or addiction to "wine, women & song' ( ie. Sex-Drugs-N-Rock-N-Roll ) is a way of transcending the self.
    the Critics complain, without really doing so... As if the work ethic applies here - as if it's wrong to sneak
    into paradise thru the back door without paying the price of admission, when in reality we have paid & paid & the
    problem is no one knows where the front door is! The soul is constantly searching for Transcendence, for some sort of escape
    from the drudgery of it's own self. Intoxication, it appears, is better than nothing at all. If we cannot achieve
    Transcendence legitimately, we will do so illegitimately.

    > Nietzsche, as the heir apparent to the Romantics, defended the cult of intoxication in The Birth of Tragedy Out of
    the Spirit of Music saying, "A feeling of plenitude and increased energy visit the participants - where the entire emotional
    system is alerted and most alive,as in the intoxication of spring, or into the opposite, intoxication in destruction.
    And under the influence of alcohol and narcotics."

    > the loss of Spiritual union in modern society has left us a void we are trying to fill in the only way we can;
    with whatever is available & many of the young, the passionate are turning to & finding pleasurable for whatever reason...
    Sex-N-DRUGS-N-Rock-N-Roll.

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    I realize this is a "very old thread but here goes.........just my humble opinion. Yes, I liked many of your comments @DrWho.

    Para #1 (@DrWho) Your printed thread reminds me of Doctor Carl Jung vs. his patient, Roland Kosser. Ref: The Doctors Opinion from BB pg 23-30.
    (1955 edition) Also, Para #3 and #9.

    Para #5 (@Dr Who) from R.D. Lang, "Divided Self" vs. imo, Divided Soul" (Life of Marvin Gaye) David Ritz (1980)

    Para #10 + Para #13 + #14 + #15 "OCD anxiety disorder"

    Para. #16 Author Terrance Gorski (Chicago, IL) "Relapse Prevention Training" (1986 + forward) a/k/a CENAPS CORP. (see below)
    Healthy Outlet Toxic Outlet
    Food Anorexia nervosa and/or Bulima nervousa vs. Binge Eating Disorder

    Exercise Pathological Dependence


    Sex Sexaholic (Adultry/Affairs/ family life & social life suffers/ STD risk increases
    Para #16 Working & Achieving OCD anxiety order again) pathological expense that separates you from blood family, + the Spirit of the
    Universe, I choose to call "God."

    Alcohol + Ilicit & Unsolicited Drugs Again, Short term solution, long term pain. Also, separates you from your Spirit of the Universe, I.E. ,
    your higher power, going from "self obsessed" to "God obsessed" (just my 2 cents worth) + the $$$
    you may not afford !


    Para #17 Nietzsche (quote) "A causal stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith, does not prove anything" (unquote)b
    Para #18 Religion Great to attend regularly, (Church) also, looks good on Resume & unfortunately for Character witnesses.

    Gambling Not harmless playing simple cards (Bridge, & or using no $$$) BUT, imo things like "poker" "Roulette" Blackjack,
    & or, Baccarat. imho can be a sin, what if you have markers, and spend beyond what you can afford?

    Boredom Creating Intimacy Vs. Isolation + Generativity vs. Stagnation (Erik Erikson)

    Escape (imho my worse vice) Traveling, seeking Nirvana, "running away from your problems, (geographic new location) ie Hawaii/Caribbean/Europe etc
    BUT, the problem is "you take you with you", especially alone, (bachelor, widower, widow, lone wolf overall "lost".
    "Let me tell you the secret that has
    led me to my goal.My strength lies
    solely in my tenacity". Louis Pasteur

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    Like the guy before me, this is an old thread. Wonder why nobody responded to it over the years. Seeing this place is populated by drug users, many of which have probably known addiction or dependence at one time or another, maybe still do, and many who may likely have a spiritual bent.

    But it's something that's crossed my mind on more than one occasion so I’ll take this opportunity to say my piece about addiction and the not so-called spiritual crisis. I do mean spiritual, like being at peace just walking in the woods is spiritual, not religion.

    Lots of wise and witty words above but I'll keep it to the first that stood out for me - Jungian analyst Marion Woodman elaborated years later; "Looking at alcoholism & addiction as a longing for spirit
    might mean that something very different is going on in our society than first appears. One might say that we don't have a crisis with alcohol & drugs as much as we have a Spiritual Crisis."

    Never were truer words spoken. As I see it we live in a violent loveless world, and that's not to judge, just to observe. And we make it both ways, loveless and loving, and violent and peaceful. We do it, or rather I do it - speaking for myself. It has been apparent to me for a long time all the distractions (that can lead to addictions that lead to lovelessness and violence) are just a substitute for love.

    But not (at first) that romantic love, just the simple love of being alive, doing simple things. No ecstatic emotion, just a certain quiet contentment.

    Love is all you need ... Haha. Loved the Beatles stuff.

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